49. When to FIRE Your Podcast Team with Danielle Sprouls
My other experience before coming to Podcirle was that I could tell that company, egg for a lot I guess it was a small company, was trying to figure it out. They were trying to enter a space that they knew was growing and they wanted to be successful at it, but they were way too early in the process as was I. And not inexpensive. Not inexpensive. They did not charge less than you.
Danielle Sprouls:I'm I'm gonna tell you that right out of the gate. And you know that old adage. You get what you pay for. So there's a lot of truth in that too. I've had people approach me with offers of, you know, spending a little bit less and whatnot.
Danielle Sprouls:But at no point do I want to jeopardize or sabotage my brand and what the listeners that are, you know, loyal to me are expecting at this point.
Mickenzie Vought:Welcome to the Podcircle Podcast where we bring practical tips and insights for every podcaster.
Kyle Cummings:Whether you're just getting started or you're already a seasoned podcast pro, these conversations dive into all the topics that matter most to you. And today, we have a special guest on the pod with us.
Danielle Sprouls:Yay.
Kyle Cummings:Her name is Danielle Sprouls a longtime client of Podcircle. Really excited to talk to her and introduce her. But first, let me give you a little bit of her background here. Danielle, who's also affectionately known as the WTF lady, which stands for women that flourish. She really champions women, especially in business and has a really great coaching business called Unscripted Pivots, which is also the namesake of her podcast called Unscripted Pivots podcast, where she specializes in guiding ambitious professionals through pivotal moments.
Kyle Cummings:She's got a great backstory, has really great guests on her podcast as well. Definitely check it out. Danielle, it's been a I I guess maybe a year or so now that Danielle has been working with us and even just we'll get into some of the backstory of how she found Podcircle. But first, just wanna welcome Danielle to the podcast. Thank
Danielle Sprouls:you, Kyle and Mackenzie. I'm so thrilled to be on here, and I really I deeply respect your journey into the podcasting world for yourselves as well. You have been such an important resource, not only for me because it goes beyond the conversations I get to have with you when I tune in, but also to share with my friends that are also interested in podcasting.
Mickenzie Vought:Thanks for being such an advocate for us.
Kyle Cummings:Oh, yeah. Huge ambassador for for what we do and no better one than someone who actually uses the services and knows the value and the time that you get back by just offloading, some of those responsibilities. So
Mickenzie Vought:Yeah. Well, Daniel, I am so excited to get to chat with you officially. When you first started working with Kyle, I got to work a little bit on your podcast and do some of your show notes. And just hearing your content, I was just like, yes. Yes.
Mickenzie Vought:Yes. I will. It just touched a little feminist heart in me. And I don't really know the story of how you started podcasting and what your journey's been. So I was just wondering if you would kind of share to us why podcasting, and why did you start this whole unscripted pivots thing?
Danielle Sprouls:One part of my lure towards podcasting really came from part of a job that I had a couple of years ago where I was asked. I was historically in commercial title insurance, you know, selling that nationally. And I was working for a New York firm and they were expanding the commercial division and they asked me to be part of their hiring process. And I had never been where I interview people to to come on. I'm not part of human resources in that regard.
Danielle Sprouls:And so I took the task somewhat reluctantly, but I ended up loving it. So this interviewing style just became something that really touched something within me that kinda stuck. So there was that. And then there was another woman that's in commercial real estate who I met who does podcasting. And she actually lives in San Francisco.
Danielle Sprouls:And I would only see her at conferences, in real estate conferences, maybe once or twice a year. And she mentioned she had one, and I thought to myself, regular people do that. So I think the combination of enjoying interviewing people and speaking to people that you don't otherwise see and can touch And, you know, and knowing that this was a real thing out there for us regular folks just incited me to explore it and so I did. And, I got a microphone and I got a shower curtain for my bedroom so I could maintain some privacy. And I literally sat at my desk and just started to do it and, pulled the trigger, not knowing a thing about podcasting.
Mickenzie Vought:I love it. And I think the rise of the virtual interview for so many of us really did open up what we thought was historically just for people who had the finances and the studio and the space where you could do it with your computer and a mic and a nice backdrop.
Kyle Cummings:That was a COVID feature for sure right there. Yeah.
Danielle Sprouls:Certainly, there's some things that came out of COVID that are perks, and this is definitely one of them. It's really interesting to me how easy it is, conceptually to launch something like this. And if you have a passion and you have a couple, yeah, you have a mic, you have a computer, but it goes so far beyond that because I brought my passion to it. But what I immediately recognized was that, you know, not working, not knowing how to use the systems and whatnot. And I never entered the space thinking I was going to do all those things on my own.
Danielle Sprouls:Yeah. I had asked a friend and they recommended somebody. And I briefly worked with, another company. And it was really honestly extremely disappointing. So, out of the gate, I was frustrated by my podcast experience and I thought there could be more.
Danielle Sprouls:So coming into contact with a friend who also podcast has very high standards and that's a client of yours, I I asked her. I said, okay. Whoever pleases you certainly is going to meet the mark. And that's how I came into the world of Kyle Cummings and Podcircle.
Mickenzie Vought:I love it. And I feel like since you started working with Podcircle, a little bit of your own life has shifted, and I think your podcast has shifted. And so how have the goals and vision of your podcast kinda shifted over the last year? We talk a lot on this podcast about using your podcast as a space to hone your messaging and figure out what you're talking about and really get clear and crystallize that. And I've seen you do that a little bit through the journey of your podcast.
Mickenzie Vought:What does that look like?
Danielle Sprouls:Absolutely. The podcast was launched on March 8, 27 no. Why am I saying 2017? That's when I moved to California. No.
Danielle Sprouls:It was it was on March 8, 2023 because we're in 2024. So and I did that because it was International Women's Day, and the podcast is about the tagline for that is inspiring stories from women that flourish where it's where we get the WTF part in it. And I wanted to just highlight women. At the time, I was on the board of this Commercial Real Estate International Group. And I was really using those women as the pool of candidates for guest spots.
Danielle Sprouls:And it was just more of a hobby and a passion and it created visibility in my, my branding for my job, right? Because what's really kind of cool about podcasting too is that you become recognizable in ways that you would not have. And it's much more personal than writing an article or writing a book, both of which are great. I'm not discounting the importance of that. But this really gets to brand you and people get to know who you are and what you stand for because they're seeing you.
Danielle Sprouls:They're hearing your voice. The video component, anybody considering, podcasting, I was reluctant to do that at first. It felt very awkward. But it really is it adds to your resources. The podcast is something that continues to just give me a whole host of avenues to use it.
Danielle Sprouls:Right? It's the gift that keeps giving. You know, from short stories to posting on social media, you can keep taking these things out, these little quips and highlight people. Some of my past guests all of a sudden wrote a book, did something, and then I take that back out and then I showcase that. I mean, it really is amazing what you can do with it.
Danielle Sprouls:But the brand, I don't know that it's changing so much as I'm changing and I'm growing. I, at the time, was in full time commercial real estate title insurance and now in full time executive coaching and business consulting. So as I kind of shift a little bit or expand what I'm doing, you at Podcircle have been critical in helping me to further my brand, right? And I think that it's the dedication to my success that has made me such a loyal customer because that that's what my experience is working with you.
Kyle Cummings:Well, it's very, very kind for you to say and, very grateful to have the opportunity to work with you. And we were just talking a little bit before the call about how amazing of kind of an ambassador you are for Podcircle just because you know, like, you've hopefully seen the benefit of of working with people that work in the podcast space and are editors and know how to create really good clips and things like that. And, you know, for the average DIY podcaster, that is just the thing that burns them out. And the reason that most podcasters only make it to a half dozen episodes before they realize, like, man, I just wanted to record. You know?
Kyle Cummings:It's all the postproduction and the editing, which is a Mhmm. Is a total drag on your time. Podcasts fizzle out after so long with that. So I wanted to ask you a little bit about your your experience prior to finding us, and you it sounded like you were kinda working with a bit of a of a freelancer and, like, a lot of people's relationship with some. And I'm not, you know, I'm not downcasting all freelancers because there are tons of great ones out there, but some of them are they're hard to pin down.
Kyle Cummings:They're hard to keep they're not great at communicating. You know, they miss deadlines. And especially with a podcast, oftentimes, you have to have multiple freelancers doing this thing and doing that thing, and you're having to wrangle it all together and get try to get this thing out on a consistent basis. I mean, even that in and of itself can be a a lot of work. So tell me a little bit about your experience prior to to coming to Podcircle.
Danielle Sprouls:Yeah. I mean, the frustrations were just what you were saying, and it was a very disjointed experience for me. And I could tell immediately that some of these things that were being outsourced by my my main source of contact. Right? You know, you hire this one person, and then they in turn hire a couple of people to take, you know, care of the video, the social media aspect or whatever it is.
Danielle Sprouls:And I'm not saying that's catastrophic in and of itself, but my experience was and I've had friends that have said the same. And you could tell that we're on different time zones or that English wasn't the primary language of the people that were working on it. And so the impact on me was that it became burdensome to actually do the podcast. And I was new at it too. So you really want a leader in that space.
Danielle Sprouls:Coming along with you, you helped me kind of hone in on what my vision was. And you continued to do that as I kind of morphed into a different role. I mean, this is such a beautiful way to, gain the attention of prospective customers, you know, through podcasting and also to just align with your values visibly and audibly, and get messages out there even if you're not looking for business. I mean, it's a terrific thing. But make no mistake to to anybody listening out there that's not a professional at this.
Danielle Sprouls:You know, this is something that's gonna require time and dedication. And even with the best laid plans in terms of scheduling, life is what happens while we're busy making other plans. And so, aligning with you and knowing that that piece of it, I could pass it off. And sometimes, not even within a quick time frame, mind you, you have been very attentive to my schedule and my needs and my shifts. And that continues to inspire me to do this work through podcasting.
Danielle Sprouls:So it's it's it's an absolute game changer. And we are on different time zones, your East Coast, West Coast. And in fact, when I've been working with you, which is over a year now, Kyle, I never felt and you were traveling. You and your wife were, you know, doing that nomadic thing for a bit. And while you could, But at no point did I feel that you weren't available or that we weren't on target.
Danielle Sprouls:It was just seamless. And seamless is is what makes this sustainable. I don't even tell now I have friends. I mean, everybody thinks it's kinda sexy and it is kinda sexy to do a podcast. And I have friends that explore this and they do it for their businesses because they wanna increase their brand and visibility.
Danielle Sprouls:And I don't say Google it. I say Podcircle it. Okay? The first thing you wanna do is get on this Podcircle. Get on their website.
Danielle Sprouls:Get on their podcast. You will know more than you even need to know out of the gate. And then get on get on a call. Find out how you can make this dream a reality. And so it's my pleasure to come on here because you have really made this such a special space for me.
Kyle Cummings:Oh, that's so sweet.
Mickenzie Vought:Hear that.
Kyle Cummings:If from a business perspective, I can die a happy man after after after hearing things like that. Because, like you said, even just the travel, the two and a half years that my my wife and I were on the road with our 5 year old. It was well, started out as a 2 year old, and then now he's 5 and going to kindergarten, we're settled down and things like that. But, yeah, it's a lot of work, you know, just but I mean, that's how committed to this I am. It's like I I I never wanted the the deliverables and the communication and all that stuff.
Kyle Cummings:I never wanted anyone to feel that even though, you know, we were in France and, you know, juggling sometimes a 7 to 9 hour time zone difference. Like, Mackenzie, you can ask her, like, even just getting us together on a podcast recording for for this podcast was a was a miracle sometimes, and she was so
Mickenzie Vought:We're just, like, plain Jenga, you know, with our schedule.
Danielle Sprouls:Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah.
Kyle Cummings:So
Danielle Sprouls:But I but I think that what it speaks to is not only just your commitment but the expertise that you both hold so that coordinating was one thing and then you can just shine brightly in what it is that you already know what you're doing. You're not figuring it out. And I think my other experience before coming to Podcircle was that I could tell that company, I guess it was a small company, was trying to figure it out. They were trying to enter a space that they knew was growing and they wanted to be successful at it, but they were way too early in the process, as was I, And not inexpensive. You're not inexpensive.
Danielle Sprouls:They did not charge less than you. I'm going to tell you that right out of the gate, you know? And you know that old adage. You get what you pay for. So there's a lot of truth in that too.
Danielle Sprouls:I've had people approach me with offers of spending a little bit less and whatnot. But at no point do I want to jeopardize or sabotage, okay, my brand and what the listeners that are, you know, loyal to me are expecting at this point. And I want to mention this too. It's really cool because a couple of things happened this year. One being really, you know, sad when my brother died.
Danielle Sprouls:And I remember I decided on the fly to make an episode about his death. And I inserted it and I threw it to you really quickly. And then I had some business meetings to go to. And what I didn't get to tell you at the time was that I didn't want to do the regular, like, you know, ad in it and I didn't want to do the regular music. And I didn't get a chance to tell you that.
Danielle Sprouls:I just wanted to make sure that you had the raw recording to start working on. And you, without any, like, any information did just that. You are unique because you understand the brand of your customer. You flip that thing back like within a couple of hours and it was as literally like you read my mind. So I am loyal to you because you have a keen understanding of who you're working with in that moment and you adapt and adopt what it is that they're selling or doing or, you know, promoting, professing, all of it.
Danielle Sprouls:You captured it. You nailed it. That's what I will tell you. Every time I look at what you do to my raw material, I'm like, he nailed it. And that is a huge relief because I'm really busy in my regular life.
Danielle Sprouls:I don't need another problem or another conversation.
Kyle Cummings:You don't need more to manage. You don't need to be able to have to create and direct your own podcast too. And and thank you for saying that. I mean, that's a lot of that just in terms of just, like, weaving in the music and things for that particular episode because it was such an important episode with your with your brother passing away. And, one, me just wanted to make it happen for you and make it beautiful and and memorable.
Kyle Cummings:But 2, I one of the things I feel like I have to offer as an editor is that is my background as a musician and a music producer for 15 years is that I love. To me, the music piece is and can be, like, such a feature of a of a podcast, especially one that is as as emotional and poignant as that episode. So right away, as soon as I heard what it was about, I'm like, I'm I'm gonna try to source some some music for this and make this an experience for the listener, but also make it make it meaningful for you because you are honoring your brother and his passing.
Danielle Sprouls:Yeah.
Kyle Cummings:It's not every day that those kind of things, those kind of projects, even in the podcast space, come across my desk. So when they do, I like to make them, you know, special because I kinda feel like podcasts, similar to to the way I I do and did about music, I always like making something that was gonna exist forever. You know? Like, some I I think about it in terms of musicians and things. And as a musician who toured for a while and things like that, a lot of times you're going out on the road, and you're just you're putting on these momentary events, these concerts for people.
Kyle Cummings:And, yes, they in some ways, they live on, but, like, making a record
Danielle Sprouls:or
Kyle Cummings:a song or an like, a deeply personal and important podcast, that stuff lives Yeah. Lives on forever. And I I just think that that's just one reason of many to make it great. And the the there's the business side of it too. It's just, like, make the client happy.
Kyle Cummings:Make him wow the client, but also just make good content. Make good art. Like, whatever that is, just do a really good job.
Danielle Sprouls:Yeah. You helped to, like, actually brand that episode. And it's it's such you know, not that I ever questioned it, but what is so unique about what you guys do at Podcircle is that you're not just going through the motions. You're not just cleaning up the audio. You're not getting rid of any outside buzzing noise or whatever.
Danielle Sprouls:You know, it goes so far beyond that. That's where this becomes like a real conversation because people can run these things through and clean them up and, you know, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. But you still got the same content. And you took that to the next level. And you've done that several times for me.
Danielle Sprouls:You always follow what it is that I want. But you know, I welcome sometimes like little tidbits of suggestions because I you know, it's always good to have that outside, you know, look at things. And, you know, it's been a great value. You don't just go through the motions. There's nothing robotic about this.
Danielle Sprouls:This isn't just something that you throw through your system. And, that's what I think makes Podcircle a unique choice.
Kyle Cummings:I think a lot of people, even some of our clients, are surprised to realize how little AI and just there's not a lot of automation happening except on, like, the transcription side of things. Like, AI has gotten really good at transcribing for subtitles and captions and things like that. But even that, you gotta go back and make sure that the spellings are right and the names. But my wife has a has a client who was a podcast guest on somebody else's podcast, and he he was ashamed of of even being on the podcast because they literally just sent it through AI, and AI edited out all the umms, and they use kind of the automatic sound enhancement feature. And it just sounds so weird.
Kyle Cummings:That's the only way I can put it. It just sounds weird. And I just that's just never gonna fly with me because we're not robots listening to, podcast conversations. We're human beings listening, and we wouldn't just sound like a human being was a part of it in on the editing and that there was intentionality and
Danielle Sprouls:Well, I mean, the whole point of the podcast is connectivity. And if you're gonna be distracted by, you know, some empty AI experience or, you know, where it doesn't feel authentic, you've lost the interest of the person that's on the other end of that. And, you know, so this is this is critical to your point. Yeah.
Mickenzie Vought:The word I thought of while you were talking, Danielle and you, Kyle, was just partnership. I have just seen Kyle partner with podcasters in a way that, one, I've experienced it as being a client of his Yeah. That he really is invested in the show in a way that maybe some other people aren't. And so I love that partnership and how it does really, as you were talking, reduce your stress, and he can bring in his expertise and really partner with you. I'm really grateful to get to have heard your story and just to hear how your podcast has impacted you.
Mickenzie Vought:I've just, loved hearing your journey of how getting into kinda exercise these muscles has been a really powerful part of your own journey. I wonder what your encouragement would be for other business owners or podcasters, potential podcasters as they're thinking about getting into this space? What would you just encourage them with?
Danielle Sprouls:You know, I didn't I didn't approach the podcast with a business mindset. I mean, from out of the gate, be someone who's like, oh, what's gonna be your, you know, ROI and this and that? I said, look. I I wanna create a platform where I can not only brand myself but elevate women that I have on and, you know, showcase what resilience looks like amongst us and that kind of thing. And as it goes on, you know, it becomes a little bit more.
Danielle Sprouls:But my advice to anybody is, you know, be realistic about your goals. I have other friends who come into this and they study hard, other podcasters. I didn't do that. I picked up a microphone and a shower curtain and I let it fly. Right?
Danielle Sprouls:So I'm really growing up through this process, which makes you guys very critical to my momentum. I would just say be realistic. And if you think you wanna do it all on your own, you know, give that a try for a week. You're gonna be miserable. There's no way that that is sustainable for the full time business person.
Danielle Sprouls:And a lot of people that do want to use podcasting for a platform already have a career or they're part of a larger, you know, company. And it becomes really clear really quick that this isn't something, if you want to be really like great at it and proud of what it is you're putting out, that you don't do it alone. You just don't do it alone and align partner. I like the word partner, Mackenzie. That's great.
Danielle Sprouls:Partner with a company. I always say Podcircle. And you know I say that freely because I believe in it. And why would I'm no gatekeeper. I like to share what makes me look good.
Danielle Sprouls:I don't, you know, I don't do this by myself. So, know, that that's what I say, you know, partner. And the fact that you guys launched this podcast because you didn't have a podcast when I started working with you. And I am just, like, amazed at all of the information and the time you spend into helping people who might might not even otherwise use you, but that's how much you care about the podcasting community. So you inspired me, and now I follow how you do your YouTube, and I'm trying to figure it out.
Danielle Sprouls:I mean, really, you have a
Kyle Cummings:We're still trying to figure it out too to be to be transparent. I mean,
Danielle Sprouls:it's And you guys are honest about that. There's the the you're as authentic as anything. And sometimes, yeah, sometimes you guys are vulnerable on there, and it's
Kyle Cummings:great. Well, podcasting is it's hard even for people that's this is what we do. Part of starting our own podcast is has honestly it's put me in, like, your shoes as and this is what we do. Like, we edit podcasts and but it's still it's like, oh, yeah. I forgot that this is a grind.
Kyle Cummings:Like, this is a big commitment and recording and planning episodes. And and it's, honestly, it's been it's been really good, and it's given me a lot of empathy for our clients who, you know, on occasion, like, it's like, hey. I'm I'm running late this week, and I'm I just recorded an episode today. It it needs to go out on Tuesday kind of thing. It's like, I get it.
Kyle Cummings:Stuff happens. Whenever possible, I'm happy to accommodate, like, a rush turnaround and things like that just because I know. Yeah. I know how how
Danielle Sprouls:I'm doing. Occurs. But, you know, I wanna mention another thing that's really cool, bringing podcast into the forefront is that I have met so many people that I otherwise would not have to. Like, you know, virtual strangers have reached out or listened to it. Maybe they're listening to it because it gets on their radar because I have a guest who they know.
Danielle Sprouls:And right? And then that's how your audience grows. And then, you know, they wanna be a guest. And then, you know, all of a sudden, my community has grown. Sometimes that too is a little bit overwhelming, you know, adding to my own tasks to meet with them on Zoom so I know who they are, what that's gonna be about.
Danielle Sprouls:So again, offloading all the production to you guys makes it actually feasible that I can accomplish this because I'm having a whole lot of conversations even before we we we hit record. Yeah.
Kyle Cummings:You're having like a the pre interview.
Mickenzie Vought:Like a pre interview. Yes.
Danielle Sprouls:There's there's a lot. And then just even thinking about how I'm going to work that into, you know, my LinkedIn or my Instagram or my social media type of things and just conversations and emails so that I could perpetuate what it is that I put out. So offloading the production and, you know, you've done the videograms and you've helped me sometimes with the YouTube, all those things. You have so many services. And I also wanna say kudos to you guys for rolling it out almost like a la carte because it really makes it feasible for somebody to kinda stick their foot in the door if their budget's smaller and they're a solopreneur or, you know, then if they're a big company.
Danielle Sprouls:You really like lay out all the different things you can pick and choose. And that has been really helpful to me. It's not like some, you know, package that I can't because I'm just one person doing it. You really have worked beautifully with me as I've been able to, like, you know, ask you to handle more, handle less, or whatever. Yeah.
Danielle Sprouls:It's it's been seamless.
Kyle Cummings:Well, it's nice of you to say. And Yeah. And I feel like every podcaster, when they find us, they're at a different point in their journey, and their needs and their budget. It's just, like, just work with people. Like, work with people where they're at and do good work for them and provide value.
Kyle Cummings:And as their needs grow and they need help with social media or on and on and on, we're we're outfitted to help them out with that. So To
Mickenzie Vought:meet that next level of need. Yeah. Definitely. Totally.
Danielle Sprouls:And I wanna end with this too. So there's a lot of things in these platforms. This is really for the podcasters out there that may be starting. You know, there's so many things that will be offered on, you know, Riverside, Descript, blah blah blah. You know, the list goes along, and we may be using those to record.
Danielle Sprouls:And they have these, you know, these clips and whatnot. But what Kyle and Mackenzie have, given me, these are, like, professional personalized this isn't the stuff they're not clicking on a button that's already available. They take that whole thing to the next level and make it unique. And so even though those things are out there, and they're not lousy, but they're not what you create. They are not what you create.
Kyle Cummings:You know? Even the a those AI tools are they still take work. Like, you still have to kinda edit them, and it's like, okay. Did Riverside's MagicClips really pull a clip that elevates this podcast, or is it really the best clip from the so it still takes a lot of work on the back end for you.
Danielle Sprouls:It does.
Kyle Cummings:Whoever's doing that to, like, go and sift through and make sure the transcriptions are right and those those sorts of things.
Danielle Sprouls:And, you know, too, what I love about what you do, Kyle, is you take the raw audio and the format of my, podcast is that we do, like, a little teaser of the conversation and that's how it begins. And you always, always nail it by taking like that sentence that, like, I might not have I wouldn't have even thought about. But you're truly listening to the message, of the podcast and then you take that out and then you make the videos to go with it. And that's not something that AI is doing for me. I'm not gonna get that on any podcast platform.
Danielle Sprouls:That requires human touch. Yeah. The human touch that you offer through Podcircle is distinctive about working with, a company like you.
Kyle Cummings:Well, that's very, very kind. I really appreciate, it's it's even just been encouraging me for me to hear. The one of the biggest services I feel like Mhmm. That we can offer our clients is just, like, we're listening. Like, we're I'm really trying to download, like, what is what are your goals in your business with your podcast?
Kyle Cummings:Like, and how can we even just as simple as, like, pull clips and teasers and things that that are gonna point to that. So that's, very affirming. I appreciate that.
Mickenzie Vought:I love it. Well, thank you so much, Daniel. I really appreciated this, and I loved getting to kinda just see the way that you guys have partnered together and be a fly on the wall. And I absolutely love the message you have. If anyone has not listened to your podcast, Unscripted Pivots, they are missing out.
Mickenzie Vought:It is such a phenomenal resource, and just kind of a kick in the pants in the encouragement that I think a lot of us women need when we're out in the world. Just if you're in business or not in business, I have just gotten so much encouragement from it. So thank you, and keep doing what you're doing because it's important, and the world needs it.
Kyle Cummings:Thank you. Really quickly before we sign off. If you Yeah. Especially if you're a woman and you're looking for a coach who's been through, who's seen a thing or 2, who's been through some big pivots, professionally, personally, reach out to Danielle, someone who's edited a bunch of her podcast and edits a lot of podcasts and listens to a lot of podcasts. There's a lot of fluff out there in the coaching space, and that's not Danielle Sprowls.
Kyle Cummings:I mean, she is she's a really special person, and I I get a sense of, like, there's a there's a New Jersey fighter in there, and it's like she's she's gonna get in. She's gonna ask you the right questions. You you ask great questions, especially to your guests. And I can tell you're an intuitive person. And if if I'm hiring a coach, that's exactly what I want.
Kyle Cummings:Someone who's gonna shoot me straight, but is also gonna come put their arm around me when I need it. Yeah. And it's gonna be, it's just gonna be a partner in in the end. The kind of transitions and pivots that I go through in life, but especially in business because it it can get scary sometimes. So
Danielle Sprouls:And I coach men too. I coach men too just for everybody. Oh, yeah. In fact, I would tell you that the majority of my clients right now are male businesses.
Kyle Cummings:So Good to know.
Danielle Sprouls:Yeah. And I think it's my legal background. Prior to do all this, I was a lawyer, and I'm a mother of 4. So I think you've got that nurturing, like, component married to that, you know, inquisitive, critical, questioning nature. So thank you so much for having me on.
Danielle Sprouls:Yeah. Big fan, grateful client, and so happy to, share this space with you.
Kyle Cummings:Alright. Thanks so much, Danielle, and we will be with you all next week.
Mickenzie Vought:See you next week, y'all.
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